BetIt said:
Exactly. The great majority of their biz was U.S.-facing. Without that, can they survive? And even if they could, they may not want to. Much better to take the money - corporations know how to hide most of it - and bail.
They may well figure that since it's the Americans who put an oppresive regime in office, and got their people busted, then there is no problem with sticking us with the bill.
There is no good reason for NT to be delaying eft payments - unless they don't have the money or don't want to send it.
I mean, this is an electronic payment - I'm not talking about getting a check sent. Sending an EFT is as quick and easy as sending a one word email.
Something is rotten on the Isle of Man.
I mean, this is an electronic payment - I'm not talking about getting a check sent. Sending an EFT is as quick and easy as sending a one word email.
Something is rotten on the Isle of Man.
Dante said:
But their proverbial bread and butter - or tea and crumpets - was right here in the belly of the beast. Not making timely transactions is a bad, bad omen. Would any of us ever go back to this outfit after this bullshit debacle. They don't seem to care. I'm not spending the money I got "pending" with them, and it's twice what I lost with BoS.
Neteller is safe, they do business in 160 countries world wide and although I think the US market was a big part of it I'd be suprised if it were half or more their take. There's a lot of punters world wide and all netellers transactions are not gambling related so they will survive.
I'm Canadian and I've been using it almost everyday and nothing has changed whatsoever for me, you guys have to understand the volume they must be experiencing. It's an old fashioned run, everyones worried and rightfully so I would be too but they're not stiffing anyone just momentarily overwhelmed. You guys just have to be patient and give them a chance and I think everything will be fine, that's my hope and belief at this point, I'm leaving my money there and I know many others who are not concerned.
I'm Canadian and I've been using it almost everyday and nothing has changed whatsoever for me, you guys have to understand the volume they must be experiencing. It's an old fashioned run, everyones worried and rightfully so I would be too but they're not stiffing anyone just momentarily overwhelmed. You guys just have to be patient and give them a chance and I think everything will be fine, that's my hope and belief at this point, I'm leaving my money there and I know many others who are not concerned.
Let's face it. NETeller could make a withdrawal in minutes if they wanted to. It USED to happen every day! The fact that it's not happening now is total BS, and I don't have a penny in there to bitch about.
It seems to me that since they won't be seeing our money again, that they are going to try and make as much money as they can by getting interest on the money they are holding. The more they delay....the more money they make! Very simple. You aren't going to get stiffed.
It seems to me that since they won't be seeing our money again, that they are going to try and make as much money as they can by getting interest on the money they are holding. The more they delay....the more money they make! Very simple. You aren't going to get stiffed.
I'm Canadian and I've been using it almost everyday and nothing has changed whatsoever for me, you guys have to understand the volume they must be experiencing - Thomas
So, you use them every day and you're experiencing no delay, "nothing has changed," as you say.
Think about that. Despite the "run" and the "volume," it's biz as usual for you and all others outside the USA. In other words, NT is deliberately and with malice aforethought delaying payment to Americans.
Why? Stuckinvegas may be right about the interest. But don't they see themselves in the future re-entering this market, once the anti-gambling thing has faded (as it will, as Prohibition did)?
I personally will never deal with NT again. Surely they must know that my sentiment is shared by many. The only reason is that they don't care, because they're going to grab those Yankee dollars. Tallyho, old chaps.
I make it 50-50 that those of us who have bucks pending with this shithead outfit will never see a dime.
So, you use them every day and you're experiencing no delay, "nothing has changed," as you say.
Think about that. Despite the "run" and the "volume," it's biz as usual for you and all others outside the USA. In other words, NT is deliberately and with malice aforethought delaying payment to Americans.
Why? Stuckinvegas may be right about the interest. But don't they see themselves in the future re-entering this market, once the anti-gambling thing has faded (as it will, as Prohibition did)?
I personally will never deal with NT again. Surely they must know that my sentiment is shared by many. The only reason is that they don't care, because they're going to grab those Yankee dollars. Tallyho, old chaps.
I make it 50-50 that those of us who have bucks pending with this shithead outfit will never see a dime.
If Neteller wants to continue doing business elsewhere in any capacity then they have to pay all of us first. Unless the US can find a way to get at those funds, in which case it would be the US fault. Otherwise as long as they plan on staying in business then I have little doubt they will be paying everyone.
Yeah, i can barely even sleep just thinking about all this. I already got stiffed
over the last five years at a few books and now this. I'm just so glad i added
a local today to my arsenal to get my mind off some of this. The risks of having a local are so much better than this offshore BS!!! If this is the way you wanted it USA, well than just try and stop my ass from gambling. I'm not going to stop anytime soon. It's in my blood and it keeps me away from binge drinking, heavy drugs, loose women, and many bad things. Here in Jersey a few guys who were running a 100,000 dollar a week sports betting operation just got off the hook! I still can't believe what they got! The leader of it got 60 days in a manual labor program and 60 days of community service. His son got 30 in the labor program and 20 days of community service. If this is all you get for having your own service i might as well start running one again.
over the last five years at a few books and now this. I'm just so glad i added
a local today to my arsenal to get my mind off some of this. The risks of having a local are so much better than this offshore BS!!! If this is the way you wanted it USA, well than just try and stop my ass from gambling. I'm not going to stop anytime soon. It's in my blood and it keeps me away from binge drinking, heavy drugs, loose women, and many bad things. Here in Jersey a few guys who were running a 100,000 dollar a week sports betting operation just got off the hook! I still can't believe what they got! The leader of it got 60 days in a manual labor program and 60 days of community service. His son got 30 in the labor program and 20 days of community service. If this is all you get for having your own service i might as well start running one again.
Omni said:
This doesn't answer my logical position. They can pay, they can pay now, but they arern't. I think the problem in your argument is that you give no real reason WHY they would have to pay US customers. I've seen nothing that indicates the US is going after the money that Neteller is holding from American customers. Where did you hear that?
It would seem logical that the anti-gambling forces inside the US govt would greatly enjoy it if Americans get stiffed by NT. It will cause a decrease in the number of online US bettors. Just as the BoS debacle embittered many bettors. (And I don't believe that the govt's insistence that BoS pay off US bettors was genuine!)
Am I certain that NT will give us the shaft? Of course not. As I said, it's fifty-fifty. But on the other side, no one can say with logical certainty that we will get the money. I'm hoping I'm wrong and the believers in Neteller's honesty are correct.
